Thanks Rex
At least I know its not my version of MA 3d.
Seems like things like Sub Atributes would be way past my level of experience here.

Think I will just keep using fixtures that do render properly for training and do the real programming in the real world.

Would have been nice to be able to pre program a specific rig at home and be 90% ready when landing in the venue but spose this isnt intended for that.